Posts by Star Moore

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The Trinity... is it a false teaching as the WTBTS claims?

by Honesty in

in the old testament god revealed himself to his chosen people, the israelites as i am:.

ex 3:14-15 - god replied to moses, i am who i am.

this is what you are to say to the israelites: i am .

Star Moore

Hi again...I guess we are both pretty well convinced on our beliefs..but I did want to answer you And I wouldn't want to cause hard feelings.

Kristopher: You are thinking Jesus is of the same substance or nature as God like a flame and a fire. Maybe, and maybe the angels too as they are called 'flames of fire'. And they are all spirits, too.

Mar 23, 2006

Ps. 104:5 NIV "He makes winds his messengers, flames of fire his servants"

If the pharisees were mistaken in their analogy, wouldn't Christ have told them they were mistaken?

Kris...see the last scrip on page..where he was defending that accusation....

To say he was not the savior before his birth is to imply that he wasn't in existence.

Well, why? He actually wasn't a savior yet. It would be like if you were to become the president, I wouldn't actually call you the president while you were still a senator.

Do you believe that Christ is eternal? or created? Scripture states, he was before all things and created all things. If he was an object of creation, then this statement would be false. He can't be a thing if he was before all things.

I believe he is immortal..yes.. Created, yes.. Col. 1:15 NIV "he is the first born of all creation"

Scriptures don't actually call Jesus the Creator..but a master worker for God in which all things were created through him. Why couldn't God use him to help with creation and still be a creation?

That being, that concept that essence is what we know as God who made himself manifest in 3 different ways.

I agree with you...we know God, because Jesus manifested his qualities perfectly and was a perfect reflection. So God used him to make himself manifest,.which he could be if he was his bosom bud for millions of years...the holy spirit perfectly reflects God too and therefore manifests him.

Personally I am a monotheist. That is why the JW concept of two Gods was disturbing.

Honesty...remember this scripture where God calls the angels, gods also. The god with a small g simply means: a divine being..or thing.. So I'm a monotheist, too.

Ps. 82:6 NIV "I said, 'You are "gods", you are all sons of the Most High......."

John 10:34 NIV "Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, I have said you are gods? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came and the Scripture cannot be broken. What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?"

And this one where Jesus was defending their blaspheme accusation, by quoting the psalms.

have a good one..

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God shunned all, but Jews and christians with the correct understanding?

by Star Moore in

the bible says that the jews were god's chosen people.

yes, but does that mean that all other people were nothing to him, unless they were associated with the nation of isreal?

a thought: what if god just chose the nation of isreal for the purpose of bringing the messiah to earth and was still with the good people in all the other religions?

Star Moore

Shelby:

ALL of Israel. The Jews are only a part, and a small part at that.

So, the word 'Jew' comes only from Judah, do I have that right..new to me. I thought, Isreal = Jew.

"You will be witnesses to me throughout all Judea... AND Samaria."

I looked and couldn't find this scripture. Could tell me where it is? Thanks. Kind of a new thought to me..

Cornelius, a Samaritan, while not a Jew, was an Israelite. That's why Peter was sent to him FIRST... of those who were not Jews... but were still of Israel.

But now this makes sense.

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"Israel" today, however, is:
1. The descendants of both Judah and Israel, those who are Israel in the flesh; AND

Do you know why the Samaritans were Isrealites? Think I learned this once a long time ago, but forgot.

Hallaluah: Was a little hard for me to grasp what you were saying...

		Mar 22, 2006

		Mar 22, 2006

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The Trinity... is it a false teaching as the WTBTS claims?

by Honesty in

in the old testament god revealed himself to his chosen people, the israelites as i am:.

ex 3:14-15 - god replied to moses, i am who i am.

this is what you are to say to the israelites: i am .

Star Moore

hey there Kristopher,

Heb 1:8 "Thy throne, O God, is forever."

To me, it could mean 1 of 2 things. 1st idea is: The g is small and they are talking about Jesus as a 'god' having his throne for ever.

2nd idea: The G is big and he's saying that he will be a co-ruler with God and in his 'bosom' position forever. John 1:18

Kristopher and Honesty:

John 1:1 NIV "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning."

John 1:18 Diaglott version No one has ever seen God: the only begotten son (god); who is in the bomom of the father, he has made him known."

John 1:1 could mean 1 or 2 things..

1. Jesus is God

2. Jesus is a god

I prefer def. 2. because it coinsides with John 1:18 and stays in context with the rest of the chapter. As we know, people have seen Jesus; so he couldn't be God.

John 5:18 "He was even call God his own Father , making Himself equal to God."

Mark 2:5-7 "He's blaspheming, (by forgiving sins) , Who can forgive sins, but God alone?

The pharisees were saying, he was making himself equal to God, because he said he was God's son and because he was forgiving sins. They were simply mistaking in their analogy. That's all.

Hosea 13:41 "No savior exists besides me."

At the time, this was true, Jesus wasn't born yet to even begin to take on the 'savior' role.

Acts. 4:11-12 "This is the stone that was treated by you builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner. Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."

Honesty, notice it says, 'not another name under heaven'. Under heaven...(not in heaven) but under heaven. Also Jesus was the ' way' and nobody comes to the father except through him. So at that time, Jesus was the only name in which, to come to the father through. He was the Mediator..the ONLY way to the father.. but couldn't be the father, as he the way to the father. Think of it like this..If I told you, that you could only get to my house by means of a boat, you would assume that the boat, that was taking you to my house, wasn't my house. So the boat can't be the house...

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I've got $500 on Taylor Hicks to win American Idol ( 10 to 1 odds ) : )

by a Christian in

i've got $500.00 on taylor hicks to win american idol.

at 10 to one odds ( pinnacle sports ) !

normally i'm not a gambling man.

Star Moore

Hey Mike...What's your analysis of tonight's show...? Here's mine:

# 1 Mandessa with 'I Don't Hurt Anymore'

# 2 Katherine with 'Come Rain or Shine'

# 3 Pichler with 'Walking after Midnight'

# 4 Chris with 'I Walk the Line'

# 5 Paris with 'Fever'

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The Trinity... is it a false teaching as the WTBTS claims?

by Honesty in

in the old testament god revealed himself to his chosen people, the israelites as i am:.

ex 3:14-15 - god replied to moses, i am who i am.

this is what you are to say to the israelites: i am .

Star Moore

Hey Honesty... I see what you are saying,

Why didn't he simply say, "My God" instead of what he did say, which was:
Thomas responded to Him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:28
The Jews believed in only one God. They didn't believe in a literal son of God, either.

Because perhaps he was addressing them both..like.. 'Thank you, Mary and John'.

The apostles did believe in a literal son of God...remember Peter said "You are the Son of the living God."

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God shunned all, but Jews and christians with the correct understanding?

by Star Moore in

the bible says that the jews were god's chosen people.

yes, but does that mean that all other people were nothing to him, unless they were associated with the nation of isreal?

a thought: what if god just chose the nation of isreal for the purpose of bringing the messiah to earth and was still with the good people in all the other religions?

Star Moore

yes Meagie..I think the Koran may be inspired too..as God is blessing the muslims. But keep in mind, I've never read any of it...ugh.. Lance has it, maybe I could read at least some of it.. I wonder if like Buddist, Taoist, Hindu, Krishna, etc. might be inspired. Why not? I know there's good in all of them.

Then perhaps the Koran might yield clues or the various writings of the eastern philosophers, that are Just as Inspired as the Bible. Because if God never left and remains with those of other religions, then those writings Must be inspired and would have to mesh with the writings of the Bible.

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God shunned all, but Jews and christians with the correct understanding?

by Star Moore in

the bible says that the jews were god's chosen people.

yes, but does that mean that all other people were nothing to him, unless they were associated with the nation of isreal?

a thought: what if god just chose the nation of isreal for the purpose of bringing the messiah to earth and was still with the good people in all the other religions?

Star Moore

Jesus said 'anything you ask in his name' would be granted to the asker. How many millions of people who have prayed"in his name" never get squat for an answer do you suppose? I'm one of them ....so I gave up.

Hey, Gumby. You sound disillustioned with God and hope.. don't blame you. Things are a mess and brutal too. Seems like things just don't get any better. The prez is so crazy. God seems to answer prayers in really unnoticeable ways to me.. Just hang in there..I think things will start turning around soon.....................luv, star

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GB claims divinity for anointed

by hallelujah in

in the "insight on the scriptures" book at page 474 and 639 the wtbts states that the anointed are divine in nature.

divine in strong's hebrew lexiconography is defined as sovereign, and in greek lexiconography as theos, or godhead or divinity (see strong's lexicon excerpts below the excerpts from insight book).. divine.

nature.

Star Moore

Hey, very interesting subject. I've felt I was born-again..for 5 or 6 years now..26 years as a witness.

No, I've never felt God-like..still do stupid mistakes and hurt people and myself..don't have perfect control of my eating..

There is a scripture I like though.

John 14:23 "Jesus replied, "if anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him."

So I do think that 'anyone' can reach a point of 'love' for God so that they want to 'obey' him and God will make his home with us. That's what I think the 'born again' experience is. But that's not divinity , but it's having God's spirit with us for the most part.

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God shunned all, but Jews and christians with the correct understanding?

by Star Moore in

the bible says that the jews were god's chosen people.

yes, but does that mean that all other people were nothing to him, unless they were associated with the nation of isreal?

a thought: what if god just chose the nation of isreal for the purpose of bringing the messiah to earth and was still with the good people in all the other religions?

Star Moore

Why experience God as the true Source, Sustenance and reality of our own being and all existence, when we can give our selves to a story book instead.

JamesT. Hey there, are you refering to getting into nature and being here now and such..? I like to do that too, but the bible gives us Hope for the future..which is great for me.

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The Trinity... is it a false teaching as the WTBTS claims?

by Honesty in

in the old testament god revealed himself to his chosen people, the israelites as i am:.

ex 3:14-15 - god replied to moses, i am who i am.

this is what you are to say to the israelites: i am .

Star Moore

Good evening to you, Honesty:

I think of it like this... I'm a great one for saying ..."Oh God" or "My God!" when I'm flabbergasted. Maybe that's what he was doing? Because Thomas knew it was God who got the credit for the ressurection of the Christ. So it was like he was addressing God, as well as Christ for the miracle.